2022 Hobby Predictions, Goals from Cards To The Moon podcast hosts

Here’s the full transcript from our unaired episode recorded January 2022 due to bad audio. You can listen to our podcast Cards To The Moon produced by fivecardguys with new episodes every Tuesday at fivecardguys.com/podcast (and follow us on Instagram!)

CLARK: So I thought we could go over what we think might happen in the hobby in 2022. But to quickly recap 2021, if you guys remember, the hobby started red hot last January and February, and then it took a hard correction over the summer. And then it kind of stabilized a bit to end off the year.

So for 2022, it’ll be interesting to see how the year starts off. So for this particular segment, I’m just going to throw out some questions about the hobby based on what other collectors have been saying and what we’ve been hearing in general, and what’s been in the news lately, and you guys tell me what you think is going to happen.

All right. So when the hobby was on fire to start off 2021, we of course saw some inflated prices of hobby boxes and cases due to the overwhelming demand. It’s come down a bit since, but nowhere near what they used to be even three or four years ago, right? So my first question is, do you think prices for hobby boxes and cases stay around where they are or do you see it correcting even further?

Or do you think we’re going to see another boom to kickoff 2022 and therefore prices begin to skyrocket for wax again? What do you guys think?

HYUNG: I personally think it’s all dependent on the class. And if you have a good class in a particular set,  and usually in baseball, you’re going to have your prospects, and in basketball, it’s Prizm. I think it’s all dependent on what type of class, you know, there is. Because at the end of the day, if there’s a strong class, the demand is still going to be there. Because people still believe that, you know, a certain prospect or certain guy who’s going to be an all-star, they’re going to still invest that money and they could use previous comps to see whether they’re willing to take the risk.

So through that whole process, I don’t think anything’s going to change. You see that kind of in Bowman that was just released, 2021 Bowman Draft. I thought it was pretty weak, to be honest, in general. So you see hobby boxes kind of like going down a lot, at release, like nobody’s taking them.

So I think that question is all dependent. I feel as long as there’s healthy classes coming up and they do a good job with those, I think the boxes will still increase or in some cases they would decrease if it’s a bad class.

JOHN: I think they’re going to keep hobby boxes and retail boxes, they’re going to, I mean I don’t see any reason why Panini or Topps would lower their prices. They’re going to keep it sky high. And it’s unfortunate. We all this year, I think, everybody kind of complained about how the prices were, especially us, we complained about how high the prices were. And yet you walk into a Walmart and there are empty shelves everywhere, right?

So from a business stand point, everything’s still selling out. Even like, you know, Allen and Ginter, and Topps Heritage and stuff. It’s still sells out, man. Like the addiction to rip, it’s real, man.

We’re talking, like, gasoline for cars, you know? Like when gas goes up by 2X, everyone complains, but you’re still going to put the gas in the car, right? So it’s almost like the same thing. I really wish in 2022, everybody kind of wakes up and says, okay, enough is enough.

Like, you know, $60 Canadian for a blaster that comes with 15 cards, like that’s enough, you know? Because right now, if you look at the ROI with base kind of taking its crash course, there’s no more ROI in boxes. Like any rip now is, I guess, for like a true hobby standpoint, it’s still a fun rip, but in terms of trying to get some kind of ROI, unless you’re hitting the best of the best out of a box, it’s nearly impossible.

I think, even last year, at the early stages of like a Luis Robert, Bo Bichette, like that class, you know, rookie PSA 10s were going, you know, Topps Chrome, were going for like $200, $250. So if you’re ripping $100, $200, $300 worth, and you pull out one or two base Luis Roberts, and you send them for grading, you can claw back a lot of the money that you spent.

The ROI makes sense to rip these up boxes open and take some chances. But now, it’s just, it’s almost like you’re literally throwing away money. So I really hope everybody kind of wakes up in 2022 and just doesn’t purchase, holds back, and then obviously at some point, Panini and Topps will see their products sitting, put them on sale, and then they’re going to maybe have to readjust their pricing for the following year, right?

But this year I didn’t see that happen. You saw a lot of boxes sit on shelves for longer than usual. For example, I just went today to Walmart and, you know, like what usually sits like Optic Baseball, like that stuff is still all gone, you know? So people, as much as they complain, it might sit for three, four weeks, but at some point you’re like, okay, I gotta rip something and then you just pick it up, right?

CLARK: I see both of your points. I think for me, it’s dependent on the set, like for the higher, more recognizable sets, like Topps Chrome or Bowman Chrome or Panini Prizm, Panini Select, like good luck trying to find those on opening day. Those are going to be in high demand. Even if it’s like, I know Hyung you mentioned it depends on class, but for those sets, even if it’s mediocre, like I thought Prizm and this past year with Cade Cunningham, well that’s not a good example because everything’s delayed in terms of the release, but even their draft picks or the college uniform sets, it just seems like a weak set, but I have the sense that it was still pretty popular just because it was Panini Prizm. So I think those popular sets, their prices are gonna stay relatively high.

But I think the lower end, or the ones that aren’t so popular, like maybe Panini Absolute, or, you know, other sets that I just saw for the first time this past year, I think they’re just going to be on the shelves or it’s going to be available whenever you want it. Not like it was in January and February where I don’t even know what the set is, but I want to buy it because I don’t want it to sell out. You know what I mean? Like, like if you guys remember last January, February it was insane.

The market was smoking, right? And it was hard to get your hands on anything good. So you’re willing to settle on mediocre sets that in the end, won’t give you good ROI. So I think those days are gone and I think we’re kind of in the middle of stabilizing a bit, but those premier sets for sure, I don’t see that going down any anytime this year.

Okay. So number two, related to the boom. You know, if you remember, we heard crazy stories last year, about crazy lineups at retail stores to pick up blaster boxes or cello packs, and even people getting into fights. Are retail boxes of popular sets still going to be hard to come by or will retail stores start to figure out a way to meet the demand?

HYUNG: Retail is, it’s a tough one. I mean, this is where all the grounders go. This is where, you know, you put up a product, they’re clawing through anything and everything is possible. It’s the beginning process. I call it the raw materials of where it all starts, right? If you look at the whole process, a raw card to a slabbed card, a graded card, and what it’s worth, right?

In the supply chain of things, it’s just the early stages and it’s something that’s needed and it’s affordable still. I guess the flippers think that, that’s the easiest way to monetize, right? I personally think it’s ridiculous because you’re, you’re wasting so much time lining up, for what? For flipping 20 bucks. It’s like, man, you can make faster, flipping on a single in that period of time, right? So yeah, I still think there’s going to be a demand for it, and a lot of people don’t want him to drop the $200+ dollars, $500+ dollars on a hobby box.

So the only option is retail, right? Right. I think it’s the affordable rip and the majority of population, they justify $50, you know, I could afford losing 50 bucks, and best case scenario, they hit something good. And I think that that’s a lot of people’s mentality when they do rip retail. So I think there’s always going to be demand for it.

CLARK: The only thing is that they buy four or five boxes of those $50 boxes! Should have gone with one hobby box.

HYUNG: I know. I know. Yeah, but the logic is, I going to flip four or I’m going to rip two, and then, they end up ripping all of them and then end up losing all the money, and it’s like, sucker.

JOHN: I think for collectors and hobbyists, like it’s becoming pretty apparent. Like we just said that the ROI is just not there anymore. So if you want to have fun and rip, it’s great. But paying beyond retail prices, like retail is already high enough, like obviously Panini and Topps are trying to get rid of that resell, so they’re trying to claw into that money pot. So, I think in 2022, you’re going to definitely see less and less and less resellers attacking these Walmarts. Whenever collectors and hobbyists try to go to Walmarts, you’re literally competing with probably 80% resellers, right?

But this year was different. Like, I mean, if you look at, for example, in Canada here, Basketball Optic, probably one of the premier products to get at a Walmart, it’s basketball and it’s Optic, which is arguably, you know, this year, maybe number two, behind Prizm, some will say Select. But you buy a mega box for, I think they’re going for like 89 plus tax or something, if you got lucky and got it at a Walmart. And then if you looked at Kijiji, usually you could buy them for like $125 Canadian. So what is that like, the reseller’s making, you know, like Hyung said, they’re making 20 bucks, they’re making $18?

And then the people buying it, like, for example, I was one of those ones that bought one of those Optic mega boxes, I was a sucker who bought it. And you can’t like, getting a Lamelo Ball or Anthony Edwards base, that’s not going to get you any ROI. Getting Anthony Edwards, you know, they have the special Fastbreak insert or whatever, purple insert Lamelo Ball purple, that’s not going to get you the ROI on your $130, right?

So literally you have to, like, there’s only like four cards that you can hit. And then you can’t get numbered cards out of the mega box, which is a weird decision as well. So for 100, 125, 150 bucks, you literally have to hit Anthony Edwards or Lamelo Ball holo, or the checkerboard, which is the mega box special SSP. Like what are the odds of hitting that? Like you can’t, you know, how are you going to make your, you know, get your return on investment, right?

HYUNG: But you got to look at it long-term, then the instant market, right? I think for me, that’s what justified my reps earlier when breaking cases. Yeah, they’re probably not worth it now, but I think in four years, people are going to want anything 2019 Topps Chrome with Vladimir Guerrero, or the Tatis base that they pulled three years ago and they found it in their box, you know, just recently.

So I think it all depends on the wholesale side, right? Yeah, maybe right now, right this moment, you might not get it. But if Lamelo Ball turned to a star, I should have ripped this product.

JOHN: Oh, for sure. I mean, wax in general is one of those things that will always continue to go up because population goes down, but in the immediate run, what I’m saying is that, because the people opening the boxes, aren’t going to see the ROI, they’re going to realize it. That would mean they’re not going to be willing to pay the resell prices, which in turn, the resellers wouldn’t be making money. And then these resellers aren’t going to be attacking the Walmarts. And then next thing you know, you’re going to see the products kind of sitting more on shelves, right? That’s the, the long, long story full circle.

CLARK: Right, right. Yeah. That makes sense to me too. But you know, I just want to add, gambling addiction’s real. People need to rip and go for that lotto ticket, right? So, you’ll always have that demand. But I’m going to tackle it from the other side. I just think there’s going to be a lot more supply. And I think we’ve been seeing that a little bit, like, you know, you’ve been seeing blaster boxes at places you don’t expect them to show up, you know what I mean? Like golf stores or Canadian Tire here in Canada, like, I’ve heard there are blaster boxes there. That just means to me that they’re printing a lot more than they normally do where they can distribute it to many other places.

And I think that’s not necessarily a good thing for the hobby. Obviously it’s just one sign of, well, I don’t want to say they’re mass producing like they did in the junk wax era, but it’s just another step closer. So I don’t think we’ll have those crazy lineups, like we saw this past year or things flying off the shelves, unless like you mentioned, John, it’s like an Optic or of one of those higher end sets where people still believe that you can get good ROI in it. But if you do the math, it’s probably not there.

And you have to do your research too. That’s what confuses me as well. You have to do your research on what cards are in retail boxes and what are hobby exclusive, right? And so, be sure to do that research because people might expect to get a superfactor or a chance to get one, but no, you’re not going to get that chance at all. So yeah, we’ll see how that goes on the retail front for 2022.

I’ll just move on to number three. Now, switching gears a little bit, and for this, I’m just going to say the statement and you guys can answer true or false, and then just expand on your answer. The statement is: NFTs will be a big part of sports card and collectibles. True or false and expand on your answer.

HYUNG: We’ve been saying this that this is true. It has to, right? Where we’re going, it’s the same thing that we talked about with technology, that it’s going to basically be the driving force on where we go with this industry, this market. So I think it’s a matter of time before, you know, because crypto is basically the latest technology and specifically NFTs. So I think it’s inevitable and it’s just a matter of time.

CLARK: Short and sweet.

JOHN: Good answer. I’m going to say true and false. I think it’s true for the long run. False if we’re talking 2022. I don’t know if, like there’s a particular NFT crowd that really believes in the products and the investments. And I don’t think that sports hobby has yet adopted NFTs enough for it to become like a true collectible, you know? You’re going to see sports people interested in it as an investment class elsewhere.

But I think if you’re talking, let’s say, Topps brings out NFTs, I don’t know if our crowd is quite ready to adopt it fully yet. There might be, you know, like stragglers of people, early adopters, like buying it and buying packs like we’ve seen. I think things like, you know, Steph Curry came out with his like special NFT based on his, like, number of three pointers. Those sort of like niche, special edition one-off NFTs, I think those will be popular. I think those things kind of might sell out. Like, I think Tom Brady’s coming up with one. I think that that will do well, but widespread adoption in the sports card world, I don’t think we’re quite there yet.

But we’re going to get there, but I just don’t think we’re quite there yet, if that makes any sense. I think sports card hobbyists are particular, they’re fickle, you know. We’re like grouchy old men that don’t want to change, right? So I think, I think the crowds are two different crowds right now, and I think it’s going to take some work for us to get there.

CLARK: Yeah, fair point. And I get what you’re saying too. Like you John, I do see the NFT crowd and the sports card crowd as two distinct crowds. There’s obviously some overlap. Like I include myself in that overlap. I, you know, rip some Topps NFT packs this past year and was able to sell essentially my whole pack for 2X. The only card I have is my Ronald Acuna and I think I can sell it now for like 150 bucks or something like that. So it’s gone through its crazy highs and it’s definitely dropped down. And NBA Top Shots, I have a few packs of those. And I feel like that the craze has kind of gone from that as well.

So I think, you know, from the hobby side of things, I think, we’re still trying to figure it out, you know? Like what NFTs are going to be popular. I think on the technology side, I think what we’re missing still is like an easy to use platform to resell or to buy NFTs. I know there’s Opensea for general NFTs, but, you know, not a lot of people are educated enough to connect their wallet, you know, crypto wallet and to buy NFT. There’s a lot of mistakes you can make, you know, like one little mistake, you know, a 0.01 ETH versus 0.001 ETH is a huge amount of dollars and you’ve heard really devastating stories about people selling what they could have got for $50,000 and they sold it for like $5,000, you know what I mean, because they made a mistake in the conversion. So there’s a lot of education that needs to be involved in terms of people getting into the NFT space from both the collector’s standpoint, and even from an investor standpoint.

So I guess to your point, John, 2022, I don’t know if it’s going to happen. But to your point, Hyung, I think it is eventually going to happen in terms of the hobby space. And I think it’s going to look a lot different than we probably think, you know, it’s not going to be one or the other. I think it’s going to marry both the digital asset side of things and the physical asset, you know? I could own an NFT say of Mookie Betts’ baseball card. But I can also get a card with that NFT, if I wanted to, with his autograph, if you get one of those premier NFTs or limited NFT editions. Anything’s possible in the NFT space, right?

We just need people to invest more into it. And, you know, I think it’ll help us sooner or later. I think technology obviously happens at a very quick pace nowadays so I don’t think you’re going to wait long. But yeah, 2022, I don’t know. I think things are going to still shake up, but I’m still very bullish on NFTs in general.

All right. Number four, I saw this in a Forbes article this week and the writer brought up an interesting question: Will Fanatics pick up or acquire Topps before 2022 ends? Because as we know, Topps loses its MLBPA, which is the players union, license at the end of this year, which means I believe in 2023, they won’t be able to use the name, image, likeness of current roster players on the 40-man roster. They can still push out their products that focus primarily on prospects or retired players. But I wonder what the market would be for that.

So essentially, another way of asking this question is, “Do you think Topps entertains the thought of being bought out by Fanatics this year, knowing that their MLBPA license ends?”

HYUNG: If I’m Fanatics, I’m buying Topps. If I’m Topps, I’m selling to Fanatics. End of story. Like to me, it makes so much sense. The only thing is I could ultimately see Topps pivoting their products to gain more value to their brand. You know, whether it’s outside of the baseball. So when the inevitable transaction happens, they could cover up for losses and stuff like that. I think a perfect marriage, like I said. It’ll do the hobby well.

JOHN: Yeah, I don’t really have much more to say to that because I think that’s the perfect way to say it. I think it’s inevitable. It should happen. We’ll see what happens. Topps has been around for a long time, so they might get really stubborn and prideful, and not just let the company go for pennies on the dollar.

We’ll see if emotion gets in the way, you know. This is a gigantic business transaction that we’re talking about so there’s probably a lot of moving pieces that we’re very ignorant to. So who knows what needs to happen for this to actually get done, but in theory it should happen.

CLARK:  I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens at 2022, but kind of related to what you’re saying. I don’t know whoever’s in charge of Topps, are they still pissed off that Fanatics pulled off their deal this past year? And they’re like, “No, this is rubbing salt into our wounds.” And then they become stubborn about it and then they eventually sell at a much lesser value in the future. But yeah, it’s a question of when, not if this happens. Interesting question. We’ll see what happens.

All right. So for this next part, I want to open the floor to you. Any future predictions of your own regarding the hobby? Anything at all. It could be about what do you think is going to be popular or any trends that we might see in the hobby? I’ll open the floor now.

HYUNG: I personally think that in 2022, fractional shares are going to become huge. I think Collectables is onto something big and it’s going to really change the infrastructure of the hobby. Technology applications, you know, just so that you get the investor in as well.

And this is also aware the NFT space can grow really well which is through fractional shares, right? So I think it’s just waiting to happen. And I think the reason why we haven’t seen it yet is because with every, company, you know, it takes time to market them to grow, to seed purpose, to see what they’re trying to basically solve in the industry, right?

So for instance, every time a new investor is coming in, you have to explain how to be a hobbyist. It’s silly for them. They’re not looking to be hobbyists. They’re not looking to, you know, rip cards and say, “I have to sell these physically, like on E-bay?” They’re like I’m out.

So I think this gives the industry an opportunity to really make it tangible for investors to invest and as well as track their investment properly. There’s so much gray areas in the hobby and how you do things and all these unwritten rules. But yeah, the industry is becoming way bigger and the market caps’ increasing. So this is where companies like Collectable cater to those products that, you know, the industry needs, right? And this is how we pivot it and start, you know, I guess accept new ideas in the hobby.

CLARK: Yeah, totally agree. And in our interview with Ezra too, we mentioned, or we asked about Collectables being offered in Canada and he said hopefully in 2022. So yeah, there’s international market growth right there for you, right?

JOHN: I feel like it’s still kind of like what I was saying about NFTs. I think what Hyung is saying could be very much accurate, but I think I have a feeling that the two crowds are going to start to separate. Like when I think about the hobby and you think about collecting in its rawest form, you go back to when you’re a kid collecting bottle caps or stamps or whatever, right?

In its rawest form, it’s about out, finding, getting, finding something rare, trading it with your friends. That’s in its rawest form. So I think that’s like what we call the hobby. You know, when I think about the Collectable app, as a hobbyist, I have no interest in that. But as an investor who is interested in sports, I have a lot of interest in that.

So I’m not sure if it’s going to become one mish mash group that’s called the hobby where that’s going to go, or, if we’re going to start to see a separation of the hobby in sports cards and physical sports cards and maybe NFT sports cards. And then things like fractional shares and NFTs and that kind of role.

I’m just thinking out loud, but I have a feeling that maybe the groups might separate. I don’t know, but eventually they’ll come back together.

CLARK: I could see that for sure. I guess for me, I have two predictions. One of them is soccer cards. I think with World Cup 2022 coming and as the hobby’s grown and it’s gone a little bit more international, I think this is going to really expedite the process – the popularity of soccer cards. So I’m trying to buy some as soon as I can, you know, before it really, really starts to ramp up. I’m really bullish on soccer cards and especially any of the players that are playing on the World Cup teams.

Some of them aren’t even that cheap, but I think there are still deals to be had. I’ve been doing some preliminary research and I don’t know if you guys know who Pedri is from Spain. I know he’s injured, but you know, he just won like some young players award and his Sapphire PSA 10s are like $350. It just seems cheap to me now. And I could see, oh man, if Spain does well in the World Cup and he starts playing well for his club team, that’s an easy $1,000 card for me. So I think there’s still a lot of opportunity in the soccer card space right now. You just got to start doing your research, especially for us North Americans who aren’t as fanatical about soccer, or football, sorry.

HYUNG: Oh yeah, for sure. No I agree. I agree. I’m bullish on soccer too. Wholly. Yeah, hopefully we will see a resurgence this year in 2022. I’m all for it Clark.

JOHN: Yeah nice. Hyung likes hearing that take ‘cause after he purchased his Haaland, it’s like a nice.

CLARK: Very excited. And the other thing is card shows. I think it’s going to be lit. The pandemic, apparently it’s supposed to be an endemic in 2022. Things will die down eventually with the virus running its course, and as a result, I think more people will start to go out to card shows.

Like I think we’ve already seen that a little bit at the end of the year, but I think if more people come out to card shows in 2022, I think that will also reignite the passion for the hobby and for additional collectors that probably haven’t gone out to card shows yet. So, yeah, so I’m looking forward to live local card shows with just more people getting out there and just really getting excited about the hobby. So pretty bullish on that too.

To close off the segment then, John, I liked your idea off-air of just discussing our personal goals for either investing or collecting sports cards or both. It’ll be fun to see how successful we were at the end of 2022 when we record our 100th episode or so. So any personal goals for you guys in terms of investing or collecting sports cards?

HYUNG: We’re revealing all our secrets, eh?

CLARK: That’s the kind of show we are!

HYUNG: You know, in 2021, one of my goals was to diversify. I went into 2020 with a lot of multiples of specific players, Vladdy, Acuna, and the purpose was to obviously see profit, you know, because I knew that we are still early. So I decided to use that profit and get kind of more diverse, going into other sports, focusing on liquid cards.

One thing that I noticed is like, you might have a rare, rare card, but there’s such a rare market, a small market for that, right? Going into 2021, what I want to do is, I’ve been able to amass a huge amount of inventory, so the problem is obviously, how do you cash in on these investments that you’ve made before?

So I’d like to, on my eBay specifically, create almost like a bottleneck and close these large auctions every day, cashing out on some of these investments and creating cashflow. And basically being able to buy the next deal constantly and I just become a purchaser just on the front end. And basically I’m in on the modern grails that I think are super cheap because the bottleneck is going to take at least six, seven and eight months, just to cash out on these investments I just made. So I think for me, it’s moving that inventory and creating that cash flow.

My investment strategy is totally, totally different than other people’s. This is kind of the way I’m pivoting and actually making my money work is to create that cash flow. And making sure I close on auctions daily, because that’s important, because essentially what you’re doing is you’re cashing out. You’re accepting the payment closing on auctions at least so that, you know, you’re getting that cash in your account and then you’re ready to purchase the next deal, right? So that’s kind of the strategy I’m taking in 2022. It’s going to be an enormous amount of cashflow for me to make those bigger purchases and invest in the bigger cards.

JOHN: Hyung’s out here talking about 2022 goals like building a sports card empire. Meanwhile, I’m like, I just want to get a Juan Soto numbered card please. Oh, man. I think personally, like obviously my goals aren’t as, well you know, Hyung has got quite the inventory to go out and set out and start like a legitimate business.

Mine is still very, very much hobby based, and you know, 2021 was like a quick flipper’s dream year. And at the same time, a quick flipper’s worst nightmare. Like you made a lot of easy money, but people in here probably lost a lot of money as well. I was in between all of that as well.

And I think as a hobbyist, first and foremost, you obviously get caught up in quick flipping, like who doesn’t? When you see all of your collection going up 10x in four weeks though, you can’t help but get caught up in it, right? So I think for this year I would like to kind of get into maybe one or two big cards.

And for me, you know, big card, we’re not talking like anything, two monsters. We’re talking four figures, maybe like a $5,000 card. But maybe one or two, you know, I think when we collected a lot of these base cards, we were saying at the time it’s going to be a hold, it’s a long-term strategy. But sometimes strategies have to adapt and change.

Right now base has kind of fallen off a bit of a cliff. So I would like to move some of that stuff into a bigger card. In terms of my personal goals, investment wise, I think I’m really gonna try to tell myself so, you know, if and when I make those bigger moves, after that, be as patient as possible.

Like I have a long-term strategy put in place. Be confident in the long-term strategy. You know, if opportunities come up, that I cannot move away from and I gotta take it, you gotta take it. That’s fine and be kind of agile like that. But I think I definitely need to stay a lot more patient than I did in 2020 and 2021.

You think about a new opportunity or think about something and you don’t barely do any research. You just see the market trend kind of going up a little bit and you jump on it and you’re not patient enough. You get burned. You sell cards way too quickly, even though your strategy was to hold for three years.

So I think having some goals and being patient, I think patience is going to be a pretty big word. And then in terms of like just the straight talking about a player, moving off to the side, I would love to have some kind of legitimate Juan Soto rookie because I don’t have one. Some sort of flagship image.

I know they’re super expensive. Bowman First Auto is probably out of the question, but yeah, some sort of Juan Soto in 2022.

CLARK: That’s good advice too, John. Being patient is generally good advice for collectors. For me, well, you might have seen the trend, especially with the market down a bit, but it’s to just by more slabs. In anticipation of going to live shows, I want to have a bigger stash so I can start trading and selling and then, for my personal goal is to get a bigger card. You know, maybe a five-figure card, just keep trading up and up and up and then getting one and really enjoying them. It’s like those five-figure cards are probably ones that you’d like to hold on for a bit longer.

So yeah, just buying like a lot of these slabs right now that I think are going to increase in value over the next, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6 months or a year. And then I’m going to the card shows like I was mentioning, I think card shows are going to be more popular in 2022, taking advantage of that aspect and then trading at those shows.

And since I came back to the hobby, a lot of it was just really providing content for fivecardguys.com. That’s how I met a lot of you guys with the Five Card Guys on Instagram, and I think I want to kind of get back into just producing more content. That’s why this podcast was, you know, a great idea for all of us. We want to really just talk about the hobby and I really enjoyed doing it with you guys. And I really enjoyed the feedback that we’ve been getting.

It’s not easy to do consistently. It’s easy to do every once in a while, but I think that’s going to be an ongoing goal and I know that’s one for you guys as well, just producing good content. And then I think with our personal investment and collecting goals, it also adds additional content for what we can share with our audience – just being transparent and accountable to all our listeners.

But yeah, it’s gonna be a fun 2022, I think. And hopefully a lot more people can come join for the ride because I don’t think it’s dying anytime soon. So we’ll revisit this. We’ll see how successful we are in terms of our personal collecting and investing goals. We might lose a lot of money. I don’t know if it’s going to be a bad year, but hopefully not. Hopefully we’ll be celebrating at the end of the year.

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